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Smooth jazz

Publicado: 27 Ene 2011, 22:38
por melgo
Acabo de descubrir este estilo mezcla de jazz, funk y pop (vía wikipedia) y llevo todo el día escuchando. Me parecen que son canciones muy sensuales y bailables.

He estado escuchando a gente como George Howard, Richard Elliot, Candy Dulfer o Grover Washington Jr. y me gustaría conocer vuestra opinión sobre esta forma de tocar y los grupos más conocidos.

Publicado: 28 Ene 2011, 13:06
por bajistaenfadao
Hola! Yo nunca he entendido muy bien esto del smooth jazz; jazz suave???. Body and Soul es un clásico del swing y es muuuuuuuuuy suave.

Pero claro, seria otro debate entre etiquetas/estilos...

Saludos

Publicado: 28 Ene 2011, 20:24
por juanbcn83
El smooth jazz es un estilo, hasta cierto punto, bastante de moda.

Si no el smooth, si el hecho de fusionar el jazz con otros estilos. No englobaría a gente como Richard Bona en este estilo, pero si que su fusión se me hace muy audible y se me hace smooth hasta cierto punto, es mi percepción.

Incluso Pat Metheny tiene cosas muy del rollete.

Pero si quieres escuchar a un musicazo que se mueve por este ambiente, incluso metiendo bases electrónicas, es Chuck Loeb. De hecho creo que hay un programa de radio que tiene como cabecera una canción suya "Sarao" se llama y en otra emisora cuando hablan de una casa de apuestas también suena otra canción suya pero no recuerdo el nombre.

En fin, te paso 2 links a ver que te parecen y lo dicho, a mí este rollo también me mola mucho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8325sXJOMc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjhUKYZdl3E

Publicado: 28 Ene 2011, 22:59
por drancope
Me tuve que tragar unas cuantas horas, hace un año más o menos, cuando estuve buscando un tema que al final resultó ser de Neil Larsen y Buzz Feiten.
Así pude conocer a los Yellow Jackets de hace 30 años, con Robben Ford, y a Larry Carlton, George Benson, Lee Ritenour, ...

No es mi estilo favorito, pero hay que conocerlo.

Publicado: 30 Ene 2011, 12:34
por melgo
Gracias por las respuestas, me pondré a escuchar ahora mismo. :-D

Publicado: 31 Ene 2011, 16:27
por bajissta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiwb2QUtY-A Aquí podeis ver al bueno de Chuck Loeb en acción, además de otros vídeos de la misma serie con muy buenos músicos. Disfrutadlo.

Publicado: 04 Feb 2011, 22:27
por Orphen01
Perdón, pero yo es que cuando me mientan el smooth jazz siempre me imagino una peli porno. :mrgreen:

Publicado: 05 Feb 2011, 20:38
por melgo
Orphen01 escribió:Perdón, pero yo es que cuando me mientan el smooth jazz siempre me imagino una peli porno. :mrgreen:
Jajajaa precisamente le estoy pasando a mis amigos una lista de reproducción de este estilo al que he titulado como "sexy". He cogido las más sensuales por supuesto. :smt029

A mis colegas les está gustando, así que os voy a dejar aquí el enlace para quien quiera pasar un buen rato con alguna señorita :smt077

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... FAB2F7AD21

Publicado: 10 Feb 2011, 22:07
por BassuCristo
Otro grupo suave cuan gatitos de peluche:
Spyro Gyra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfYMeS84YLo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENMhFrV9qaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmiK9skef3s este con solo de negro ( y si es negro ya sabemos que toca del copón.... )
Tienen un tempo mazo solido tanto el como ese batera, hay bolsillo ahí :wink:

Publicado: 31 Mar 2011, 00:12
por dvdmanso
Gracias a este hilo he conocido al gran Scott Ambush.

¡Gracias!

Publicado: 31 Mar 2011, 00:37
por melgo
Da gusto descubrir estas cosas verdad? :-D

Publicado: 31 Mar 2011, 14:13
por BassuCristo
De nada manso.
Por cierto ayer me quede a la puerta de un concierto, entradas agotadas.
Ahi va otro, no se si llamarles smooth jazz, pero bastante jazz europeo de relax, Tineke Postma es la saxista lider del grupo :brindis: ya me baje un DVD pa' compensar. Digo... alquile

Publicado: 11 Abr 2011, 12:46
por corchete77
Puedes escuchar este tipo de musica, desde la siguiente direccion de internet, es una radio on-line:
http://www.smoothjazz.com/

Publicado: 11 Abr 2011, 17:31
por Perrock
dvdmanso escribió:Gracias a este hilo he conocido al gran Scott Ambush.

¡Gracias!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DughsAW9 ... re=related :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Publicado: 11 Abr 2011, 17:45
por Labag
Para el que tenga tiempo, paciencia y un nivel de Ingles medio, aqui esta la explicación de Marcus Miller donde cuenta como surgió y que es hoy en dia el Smooth Jazz:

Marcus Miller escribió: in response to Questions on Smooth Jazz by Derek J. Molacek

In the late eighties, early nineties, some marketers at Broadcast Architecture (BA), a marketing consulting firm, identified that there was a big audience of working adults out there who would like some music to chill to after stressful work days, or even during stressful work days. The audience was between 25 and 55 and was reasonably well off financially. They had a lot of disposable income. The kind that advertisers like! This was a great audience to target.

BA put together a sample of relaxing instrumental music and played it to focus groups around the country.

It was basically instrumental music, pretty easy to digest - with some vocals thrown in from time to time. I'm not sure exactly what music was played - my guess is that it was music by people like Grover, Bob James, David Sanborn, Joe Sample, Spyro Gyra. At the time, these artists were considered 'contemporary jazz' artists who played a pretty wide range of music - but the sample music was only of the lighter material from these artists.

The audience responded well to the music that was played for them. The marketers asked them what they would call the music. The audience response the marketers liked the best was "Smooth Jazz".

That's how the format got it's name - the audience named it. This was not an audience that was very familiar with jazz. They just liked cool sounding music that they could put on during the drive home.

Smooth jazz started off as a mix of contempory jazz artists' lighter fare but eventually evolved into it's own genre. Initially the artists played were from an earlier generation of musicians who were creatively combining jazz with other other more recent or 'contempory' forms of music. Artists like Bob James, Dave Grusin, Joe Sample, Larry Carlton, Lee Ritenour, Spyro Gyra, David Sanborn, etc. Eventually new artists emerged who more completely represented what smooth jazz was to become. Guys like Kenny G, Boney James, Brian Culbertson, etc. These guys typically grew up on the music of the older contempory jazz musicians but were really attracted more by the 'contemporary' aspect of the music than the 'jazz' aspect. They learned a bit of jazz but they used it more to spice up their pop intrumentals than as the meat of what they were doing. If you asked David Sanborn who his influence was, he'd say Hank Crawford and Charlie Parker. If you asked one of the new smooth saxophonists, they would very likely say Tower of Power and Sting.

This created a problem for the original contempory jazz artists who were now being replaced by the new smoothers. A&R people were now asking guys like Joe Sample, "Can you take out the guitar solo there? It's gonna throw the audience off.." Some of the contempo cats made concessions - others didn't. There wasn't as much of an issue with the newer guys because they naturally made music that fit in with what the marketers were looking for. Eventually a lot of the original contempory jazzers, the guys who supplied the original music for the smooth jazz format, were phased out.

I think the best way to describe smooth jazz now is as 'easy listening' for baby boomers. Their parents had muzak. There was no way baby boomers would go for that, muzak was corny. Baby boomers are the generation that grew up on Hendrix, Clapton, Beatles, Sly, etc. The baby boomers needed their chill out music to be much more hip. So their dentist office music has funky beats, soulful saxes, etc. But it serves the same function as muzak did for the previous generation. A lot of the songs are faithful remakes of popular songs from their youth (Pick Up The Pieces, Grazin in the Grass, What You Won't Do For Love, Layla (unplugged version). Cool oldie pop vocals from the seventies and eighties have become more and more a staple. The music is programmed so it doesn't demand your attention. It can easily exist in the background. Smooth jazz is probably the most played station in the business work place.

At this point, the jazz element is really a garnish on top of what is essentially pop instrumental music. The format name is smooth jazz but but the accent is on 'smooth'. You have to remember that it was named by an audience that doesn't know anything about jazz to begin with. Everybody wants to say they listen to jazz. It makes them feel cool. Everyone wants to like jazz, the problem is most people don't. Jazz is too demanding to listen to. Smooth jazz is the perfect phrase for baby boomers. It allows them to say they like jazz without really having to listen to it!

The problem is that because the name includes the word "jazz", it sets up certain expectations that aren't met. If it was called pop instrumental music, who would have a problem with it? No one would be any madder at Kenny G than they were at Herb Alpert in the sixties. Does anyone think that pop instrumentals shouldn't exist?? But calling it jazz brings up all sorts of 'issues'. That's when you hear folks saying, "They call it smooth jazz but I don't ever hear Sonny Rollins!" It doesn't help that the smooth jazzers are making a living and the guys who are playing closer to the jazz tradition are starving (or having to tour the world three times a year to pay their rent).

There's a large black audience for smooth jazz. Black people always love a smooth beat with some songs we recognize. I was at Wayman Tisdale's show the other night. In one show he played, "Keep On Runnin'" by the Gap Band, "No Woman No Cry" by Bob Marley, "Freak of the Week" by Funkadelic, "Get Up Stand Up" by Bob Marley, and "Can't Hide Love" by Earth Wind and Fire. Folks were eating it up, me too! At one point, Tis said, "Sorry, we ain't playing no jazz tonite but we got to get funky!" Tis doesn't consider himself a deep jazz player, he likes playing his funky tunes and turning his audience out!

That brings me to my last point. The guys who are successful at smooth jazz LOVE what they do. They love their music and are completely committed to it. I remember having a talk with Kenny G in the early eighties. He was upset because his producer wouldn't let Kenny record the music that he heard in his head. There was a sound that he wanted and he had to fight for the opportunity to make it. Once he did, his stuff took off. Tis loves what he does. Like I said, he doesn't have any illusions about being the next Jaco Pastorius, he's just doing his thing (a pretty cool thing, considering he played 13 years in the NBA then decided to try his hand at the music thing!). People can always tell when an artist is faking it. There are some artists who have short lived success watering down their music but it never lasts. They can't sustain it.

In the eighties, I produced and played bass for a lot of contemporary jazz and r&b artists, Sanborn, Grover, Bob James, Luther Vandross, Joe Sample, so a lot of smooth jazz program directors, who really respect the roots of smooth jazz, have a soft spot for me and will include my lighter songs in their playlist from time to time. But my music, in general is a little too much for most of the smooth stations.

I have my own style which came out of my own experiences which are very unique. I grew up with the Jamaica funk crew, played in the Saturday Night Live Band, played with Miles, played with Bryan Ferry, Grover, Billy Idol, Sanborn, Aretha. My music is a result of these experiences..As a result my music doesn't really fit into any format that well! They squeeze me in where they can and that's cool with me. I prefer to do my thing.

One guy said, "I love Marcus. I play his stuff at home all the time but his music's a little too distinctive for my format!"

That's the best compliment I good get..

M

http://marcusmiller.com/board_item.html ... 9&color=33


:brindis:

Publicado: 11 Abr 2011, 18:51
por dvdmanso
Perrock escribió:
dvdmanso escribió:Gracias a este hilo he conocido al gran Scott Ambush.

¡Gracias!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DughsAW9 ... re=related :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Publicado: 12 Abr 2011, 23:06
por juanbcn83
Interesantísimo artículo, u opinión, del gran Marcus Miller.

Publicado: 17 May 2011, 20:45
por javi77ucci
dvdmanso escribió:Gracias a este hilo he conocido al gran Scott Ambush.

¡Gracias!
Yo le vi en directo hace unos años en Villalba con los Spyro. ¡¡¡Menudo conciertazo se marcó!!! Ese mismo día el otro en cartel era John Mclaughlin, que llevaba a un grandísimo Dominique Dipiazza al bajo.

Respecto al Smooth Jazz, mi referente siempre han sido YellowJackets y Rippingtons. Hay un grupo que he conocido hace poquito llamado Sixun, muy buenos, creo que franceses. Recomendados.
:wink: